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		<title>By: Ostara</title>
		<link>http://roundshape.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/who-looks-fat-vs-who-is-fat/#comment-4932</link>
		<dc:creator>Ostara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 23:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Then there’s the “But you carry it well” or “But it looks right on you”, which seems to mean that a) I have cleavage b) I have decent posture c) I am not bedridden, have a job, go to the gym, etc.&lt;/i&gt;

THIS.

Through my experience I&#039;ve gotten a lot of &quot;but you&#039;re tall&quot; which always baffled me because with my warped perception of femininity and fat and years of feeling like a huge hugey lumbering monster I always felt that it was WORSE to be fat and tall, not better, as some seem to think and I was actually always jealous of the petite fats because to me it was at least more compact, less intimidating, and as a result, more feminine.

This reminds me of something I wrote a while ago and I think it&#039;s something every FA/Body Acceptance advocate needs to examine, this assumption that everyone &quot;KNOWS&quot; what fat looks like and weighs like, and that of course, no one&#039;s friend, lover, loved one, or family member is THAT fat.

I&#039;ve hovered my entire adult life between 180 and 220. At my fattest I was 220 and a size 16. My friends refused to believe I was 220 lbs. I got a variety of combinations of &quot;no, Swan, the scale was wrong, there&#039;s no WAY&quot; or &quot;but you so didn&#039;t look it&quot; or &quot;but you weren&#039;t unhealthy&quot;.

I suppose my frame does &quot;carry it well&quot;, after all, my proportions are large all over, heck, even my feet are big. And I tend to have a rather boxy, athletic, boyish frame that I think is often equated to thinness which also might be what people also mean by &quot;carrying it well&quot;. However, it&#039;s as you said, fat is subjective and relative and a number of other things. Just like tall and short are subjective and &quot;cute&quot; and &quot;ugly&quot;. Heck, even haircolor is subjective. No one can seem to decide if I&#039;m blonde or brunette.

But if we start preaching that people might actually start thinking that the myth of perfection is, you know, a &lt;i&gt;myth&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Then there’s the “But you carry it well” or “But it looks right on you”, which seems to mean that a) I have cleavage b) I have decent posture c) I am not bedridden, have a job, go to the gym, etc.</i></p>
<p>THIS.</p>
<p>Through my experience I&#8217;ve gotten a lot of &#8220;but you&#8217;re tall&#8221; which always baffled me because with my warped perception of femininity and fat and years of feeling like a huge hugey lumbering monster I always felt that it was WORSE to be fat and tall, not better, as some seem to think and I was actually always jealous of the petite fats because to me it was at least more compact, less intimidating, and as a result, more feminine.</p>
<p>This reminds me of something I wrote a while ago and I think it&#8217;s something every FA/Body Acceptance advocate needs to examine, this assumption that everyone &#8220;KNOWS&#8221; what fat looks like and weighs like, and that of course, no one&#8217;s friend, lover, loved one, or family member is THAT fat.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve hovered my entire adult life between 180 and 220. At my fattest I was 220 and a size 16. My friends refused to believe I was 220 lbs. I got a variety of combinations of &#8220;no, Swan, the scale was wrong, there&#8217;s no WAY&#8221; or &#8220;but you so didn&#8217;t look it&#8221; or &#8220;but you weren&#8217;t unhealthy&#8221;.</p>
<p>I suppose my frame does &#8220;carry it well&#8221;, after all, my proportions are large all over, heck, even my feet are big. And I tend to have a rather boxy, athletic, boyish frame that I think is often equated to thinness which also might be what people also mean by &#8220;carrying it well&#8221;. However, it&#8217;s as you said, fat is subjective and relative and a number of other things. Just like tall and short are subjective and &#8220;cute&#8221; and &#8220;ugly&#8221;. Heck, even haircolor is subjective. No one can seem to decide if I&#8217;m blonde or brunette.</p>
<p>But if we start preaching that people might actually start thinking that the myth of perfection is, you know, a <i>myth</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathreee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathreee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm, I sounded... not so friendly. I&#039;m sorry.

The thing is: Fat is not a nice word. I don&#039;t know why or since when, but it has a lot of negative connotations. So people like to use different words. Big, overweight, voluptuous, round, other words. Because fat has this negative feeling clinging to it. That doesn&#039;t mean we don&#039;t know that we&#039;re fat. We just don&#039;t like to call it that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm, I sounded&#8230; not so friendly. I&#8217;m sorry.</p>
<p>The thing is: Fat is not a nice word. I don&#8217;t know why or since when, but it has a lot of negative connotations. So people like to use different words. Big, overweight, voluptuous, round, other words. Because fat has this negative feeling clinging to it. That doesn&#8217;t mean we don&#8217;t know that we&#8217;re fat. We just don&#8217;t like to call it that.</p>
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		<title>By: April D</title>
		<link>http://roundshape.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/who-looks-fat-vs-who-is-fat/#comment-4869</link>
		<dc:creator>April D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful words Patsy; thanks for the great response regarding jiggling too.  I have similar &quot;issues&quot; with calling people &quot;Overweight&quot;.  Not only because what that &quot;weight&quot; we&#039;re supposedly over is being dropped so we can never quite catch up even if we WERE to go on diets, etc but because, as you indicated, this all hinges on the idea that there is ONE single IDEAL weight.  If that were the case and it was &quot;Nature&quot; as contended so fervently  then why is it even POSSIBLE for bodies to exist outside of that ONE weight?  It is because &quot;nature&quot; is a range of weights and bodies and shapes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful words Patsy; thanks for the great response regarding jiggling too.  I have similar &#8220;issues&#8221; with calling people &#8220;Overweight&#8221;.  Not only because what that &#8220;weight&#8221; we&#8217;re supposedly over is being dropped so we can never quite catch up even if we WERE to go on diets, etc but because, as you indicated, this all hinges on the idea that there is ONE single IDEAL weight.  If that were the case and it was &#8220;Nature&#8221; as contended so fervently  then why is it even POSSIBLE for bodies to exist outside of that ONE weight?  It is because &#8220;nature&#8221; is a range of weights and bodies and shapes.</p>
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		<title>By: Earning the right to live &#171; I AM in shape. ROUND is a shape.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Earning the right to live &#171; I AM in shape. ROUND is a shape.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Patsy Nevins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patsy Nevins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, Eric, you do NOT have a &#039;weight problem&#039;, but you, like the rest of us, live in a culture which believes &amp; tries to convince us that everyone has a &#039;weight problem.&#039;  Oh, &amp; I can also assure the person who doesn&#039;t want to jiggle that jiggling is normal, natural, &amp; human, perhaps moreso for women than for men, but it is a normal thing.  Also, as someone who has ALWAYS exercised &amp; has spent several periods of 3/4 years exercising obsessively &amp; compulsively for three to four hours daily, including many stomach crunches &amp; a lot of weight lifting, etc., one can be very solid, firm, fit, &amp; still jiggle.

&quot;Round is a shape&quot; indeed &amp; it is a very beautiful one.  I believe that some cafepress shop has a t-shirt which says that.  I just wish that we could all develop more confidence, self-love, &amp; genuine self-acceptance, &amp; understand how good &amp; wonderful a thing it is that everyone is unique &amp; irreplaceable, &amp; see the beauty in all sizes &amp; shapes, including our own.  I really hate words like &quot;obese&quot; because it medicalizes &amp; judges natural variations in bodies &amp; maybe even more &#039;overweight.&#039;  Over WHOSE weight?  What you weigh is what you weigh &amp; how can you be over your own weight?  Are some of us also &#039;over-tall&#039; or &#039;overshort&#039;?

And, btw, I will be 60 in September &amp; have been working on all this for about 30 years, so I am aware it doesn&#039;t happen overnight &amp;, in this insane culture which sends us all insane messages &amp; sets unattainable standards, it is nothing short of miraculous that body love &amp; acceptance happens at all for anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, Eric, you do NOT have a &#8216;weight problem&#8217;, but you, like the rest of us, live in a culture which believes &amp; tries to convince us that everyone has a &#8216;weight problem.&#8217;  Oh, &amp; I can also assure the person who doesn&#8217;t want to jiggle that jiggling is normal, natural, &amp; human, perhaps moreso for women than for men, but it is a normal thing.  Also, as someone who has ALWAYS exercised &amp; has spent several periods of 3/4 years exercising obsessively &amp; compulsively for three to four hours daily, including many stomach crunches &amp; a lot of weight lifting, etc., one can be very solid, firm, fit, &amp; still jiggle.</p>
<p>&#8220;Round is a shape&#8221; indeed &amp; it is a very beautiful one.  I believe that some cafepress shop has a t-shirt which says that.  I just wish that we could all develop more confidence, self-love, &amp; genuine self-acceptance, &amp; understand how good &amp; wonderful a thing it is that everyone is unique &amp; irreplaceable, &amp; see the beauty in all sizes &amp; shapes, including our own.  I really hate words like &#8220;obese&#8221; because it medicalizes &amp; judges natural variations in bodies &amp; maybe even more &#8216;overweight.&#8217;  Over WHOSE weight?  What you weigh is what you weigh &amp; how can you be over your own weight?  Are some of us also &#8216;over-tall&#8217; or &#8216;overshort&#8217;?</p>
<p>And, btw, I will be 60 in September &amp; have been working on all this for about 30 years, so I am aware it doesn&#8217;t happen overnight &amp;, in this insane culture which sends us all insane messages &amp; sets unattainable standards, it is nothing short of miraculous that body love &amp; acceptance happens at all for anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: wokeupsleepy</title>
		<link>http://roundshape.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/who-looks-fat-vs-who-is-fat/#comment-4861</link>
		<dc:creator>wokeupsleepy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm...

Well, I&#039;ve already lost a bit of weight after I began exercising. Part of being faster and having more endurance is simply having less mass to move around, so losing some jiggliness, to me, is automatically part of that. In general, strength training does not necessarily decrease weight, since building muscle will actually weight, but it would increase my daily activity, which I suppose would lead to me losing weight.

Of course, I&#039;m still going to have some jiggliness afterward, and I&#039;m perfectly fine with that. For the most part, I just want to condition my body so that I have better control over it and so I can do more with it. Losing weight, to me, is not the objective, but merely a welcome side-effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm&#8230;</p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;ve already lost a bit of weight after I began exercising. Part of being faster and having more endurance is simply having less mass to move around, so losing some jiggliness, to me, is automatically part of that. In general, strength training does not necessarily decrease weight, since building muscle will actually weight, but it would increase my daily activity, which I suppose would lead to me losing weight.</p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;m still going to have some jiggliness afterward, and I&#8217;m perfectly fine with that. For the most part, I just want to condition my body so that I have better control over it and so I can do more with it. Losing weight, to me, is not the objective, but merely a welcome side-effect.</p>
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		<title>By: April D</title>
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		<dc:creator>April D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wokeupsleepy I suppose my question is to you then: if you DO work and end up becoming faster, stronger, in better shape and yet you STILL jiggle in places and do NOT lose weight, does that mean you&#039;ve lost and have somehow NOT increased your fitness?  These are some of the ideas that get addressed here so I&#039;d certainly love to have you stick around and discuss them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wokeupsleepy I suppose my question is to you then: if you DO work and end up becoming faster, stronger, in better shape and yet you STILL jiggle in places and do NOT lose weight, does that mean you&#8217;ve lost and have somehow NOT increased your fitness?  These are some of the ideas that get addressed here so I&#8217;d certainly love to have you stick around and discuss them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: April D</title>
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		<dc:creator>April D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fat is not something that only happens to other people. Not everyone denies reality like that.&quot;  I don&#039;t feel that the issue is so much &quot;denying reality&quot; Nathreee so much as it is a matter of people&#039;s own perceptions skewing what the questionable metrics of BMI tell us IS fat and what reality tells us gets pointed out AS fat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fat is not something that only happens to other people. Not everyone denies reality like that.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t feel that the issue is so much &#8220;denying reality&#8221; Nathreee so much as it is a matter of people&#8217;s own perceptions skewing what the questionable metrics of BMI tell us IS fat and what reality tells us gets pointed out AS fat.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathreee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathreee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 06:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t agree. I&#039;m fat, my dad is fat, my sister in law is fat, some of my friends are fat. Yes, I do like to use other words that fat. My dad is often called a gourmand, and my mom calls him overweight. My sister in law and my friends, I call them huge sometimes. Fat is not something that only happens to other people. Not everyone denies reality like that. Fat is not a pretty word everyone likes to use, I like to call myself voluptuous instead of fat. But I don&#039;t deny that I&#039;m big.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree. I&#8217;m fat, my dad is fat, my sister in law is fat, some of my friends are fat. Yes, I do like to use other words that fat. My dad is often called a gourmand, and my mom calls him overweight. My sister in law and my friends, I call them huge sometimes. Fat is not something that only happens to other people. Not everyone denies reality like that. Fat is not a pretty word everyone likes to use, I like to call myself voluptuous instead of fat. But I don&#8217;t deny that I&#8217;m big.</p>
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		<title>By: dangermarie</title>
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		<dc:creator>dangermarie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a friend (size 6 maybe now?) try to give me some of the clothes she had just dieted out of - size 8-10s.  I told her they wouldn&#039;t fit.  She didn&#039;t believe me when I said I was a 16, she said I couldn&#039;t be that big.  I didn&#039;t tell her I had lied and that I really wear an 18.  
Having gone from 225 to 150 (in a very unhealthy way when I was in college) to now back to 199 (and holding, the same as the way my grandmother was 29 for decades), I have a very skewed perception of my body.  Some days I see it as much larger than it is.. other days I see it as much smaller.  
Anyway, thanks for this post.  It made me think about the way I judge not only other people but also myself.  What would I think about my body if I saw it on a stranger? What about a friend?  Hmm..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a friend (size 6 maybe now?) try to give me some of the clothes she had just dieted out of &#8211; size 8-10s.  I told her they wouldn&#8217;t fit.  She didn&#8217;t believe me when I said I was a 16, she said I couldn&#8217;t be that big.  I didn&#8217;t tell her I had lied and that I really wear an 18.<br />
Having gone from 225 to 150 (in a very unhealthy way when I was in college) to now back to 199 (and holding, the same as the way my grandmother was 29 for decades), I have a very skewed perception of my body.  Some days I see it as much larger than it is.. other days I see it as much smaller.<br />
Anyway, thanks for this post.  It made me think about the way I judge not only other people but also myself.  What would I think about my body if I saw it on a stranger? What about a friend?  Hmm..</p>
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