What this shows is how useless obesity science is, the first article is from 1926, have progressed in any useful way since then? Doubt it.

Also, there does seem to me to be a shift after the 1967 one possibly you could include the 1974 one after it. But there is a distinct shift from just trying to study ‘obesity’ like anything else, and the obesity crisis crusade, that centres on blaming and shaming fat people.

I feel this reflects the way things have gone.

As for what I call ‘five minute fatties’ that is a generalistic term not just for those who’ve put on weight later on but the attitudes they tend to have (not all the time). There does tend to be some general differences between them and those who’ve put on weight earlier, not just because of the later weight gain, but often because they’ve not been exposed to and therefore shaped in response to years of what it means to be fat before the brain was even fully formed.

In fact this is something I’ve noted myself and yet it rarely explicitly mentioned, for example I laughed when some years ago I noticed that weight watchers kept featuring loses of 20 -30 lbs all of a sudden, when they used to feature the biggest weight loss amounts they could find.

Some of it is targetting, but quite a lot is due to who looks more ’successful’, all permanent weight loss is probably low, but if you gained in adulthood, you’re metabolism seems at least slightly more likely to adjust to dieting induced weight loss.

This reminds me of the sensitivity some less fat people have toward those who are bigger, when the latter suggest that they have to put up with a lot more than those who blend in more.

I’m the latter, and I don’t have a problem with acknowledging that, why would I? I feel lucky not to have to put up with some of what they have to deal with.

Furthermore, I am a fat person whose been fat since childhood, but I cannot in all conscience say that I did not eat above my set point (although I don’t fully accept the theory) for one, I tried not to gain weight, before I gained it, yes as a child, and since then until 7 years ago have tried to intervene to lower my weight.

I don’t care if I was meant to be slim and ‘blew it’, I don’t care if I caused my own weight by trying not to be fat and then trying to become slim. All of it informs what I think and gives me a perspective that is different to others as do five minute fatties, whose (sometimes) lack of auto pilot s**t eating constant apologia for being fat has helped to remind me at times that, a) I’m doing it and b) that I don’t have to do it.

So, like … four people.

As I’ve read elsewhere though while intent is part of what you say; far more important is how it is actually heard so again my apologies.